ipcop support

I have multiple xbox 360's on the network and all connect to xb-live. The issue is that they register as "moderate" NAT. This effects game play and voice chat. i'm using a static dhcp assignment on the xbox's. i have port forwarding to one, (TCP/UDP 3074, UDP 88 ) and it registers as "open" NAT. the other is still "moderate". I know that I cant forward the same ports to another ip. Being its a MS product I know its UpNp friendly I was wondering if external access is the option I need? I tried it with no success. My network config does not allow me to setup one of the box's via an orange connection. (is the orange route viable?? have not tried)

Suggestions/Help much appreciated

You will only be able to get ALL xbox 360's to have "open" status IF you have an EQUAL number of public IP addresses. A given port on a given IP can only be forwarded to a single internal IP address. Placing some or all xbox 360's on the orange interface will not change the requirement of multiple public IPs.

External Access is for remote access to IPCOP ONLY. Port forwarding is for sending remote requests (on Red interface) to an internal IP address.

Just as a comment, UPNP is a BAD thing. Think from a security point of view, you have spyware or a virus on your computer. It uses UPNP to open your computer to the internet by using port forwarding on your router. Many routers which support UPNP do not display which ports have been opened or if they have been opened. So there is no way to close ports opened by using UPNP.

Unrestricted UPNP may be bad, but at the rate that devices are needing IP connectivity it is only a matter of time before it will be required to prevent interoperability issues.

I had a 360 for a few of months (3 of them to be exact, since they kept dying on me) and this was my biggest issue with IPCOP. I had to manually go in and change my port forwards whenever I wanted to use the XBox or the 360. With IPCop, only one XBox at a time can have 'open NAT' status. So if I am online on my 360 and get a game invite for a game that has to run on the XBox I have to get up and go change port foward settings on the router. Wihout 'open NAT' status, LIVE has all kinds of issues (esp. with voice communication).

As much as I have enjoyed IPCop, when I get a 360 again I am going to dump it for a solution that doesn't required me to stop what I am doing and fiddle with firewall settings.

To the OP, there are router solutions that will allow you to have 2 (or more) open NAT connections for LIVE at the same time. IPCop just doesn't appear to support this right now.

Nonsense. The issue is one of IP addresses, just as ds531 suggested.

You need an external IP address for each box that requires "open" nat status. You then do two things: 1) setup an ALIAS for that ip address and forward the required ports to the correct xbox then 2) setup 1:1 NAT so that that the xbox appears to originate from the correct IP address. Both of these are covered on here.

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Do a search online. Many people have solved the issue of 2 (or more) XBoxes with one IP address using UPnP enabled LIVE compatible routers. Apparently UPnP is able to handle the traffic properly. I didn't believe it was possible either until people started to post working configurations.

I did a little checking and it seems that MS wants you to use a router which supports UPnP (and does not even say which ports the XBox needs). Basically UPnP fools the router into sending the data where it is neded (possibly by dynamically changing the forwarding as needed). If you need this type of a setup, look for a router/firewall that supports UPnP.

Could someone please post some IPCOP noobie instructions on how to achieve OPEN NAT status on two (or more) XBOX360's behind an IPCOP router? My problem being the same as the original post in this thread. One XBOX is stuck as "moderate NAT" (on the blue interface) and the other XBOX (on the green interface) is "open NAT". The XBOX360 on the green interface being the one which I forward the 3074/88 UDP and 3074 TCP ports, leaving the other XBOX stuck as moderate.

In this thread I see the solution being to set up an alias along with setting up 1:1 NAT. It just isn't clear to me as to how to exactly do any of that.

This can only be done if you have multiple public IP addresses. As I said earlier in the post, it seems to be a black art of how MS uses UPnP to get multiple XBOXs to show OPEN under NAT.

Yes, the solution is to have multiple external IP addresses, with an alias for each one, then setup 1:1 NAT so thet each xbox has it's own external representation. Then you don't need uPnP.

So, armed with 2 spare IP addresses (x.y.z.1 and x.y.z.2), you would

1. Setup aliases using the web interface )(if you are using pppoe, this is hidden from the menus, so point your browser at https://ipcop:445/cgi-bin/aliases.cgi
2. Setup forwards to those interfaces (to 10.1.1.10 and 10,1,1,20, for instance)
3. setup 1:1 NAT for those interfaces by adding a line for each xbox to /etc/rc.d/rc.firewall.local as shown below.

Put these rules in the startup AND reload sections of rc.firewall.local, and remember to change ppp0 to the correct RED device name (eth0,eth1,eth2, etc) if you have a router between the ipcop and your ADSL.

Um.... perhaps you've noticed, this is a IPCOP forum, not a xbox gamers group.

Or more likely it's a spammer testing the waters (lets see, useless post tacked onto a 3 year old thread, .IN domain, freshly registered.......hmmmmm......tough call).

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